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Amy Edmondson on Psychological Safety
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Amy Edmondson is the Novartis Professor of Leadership and Management at the Harvard Business School, which is a Chair established to support the study of human interactions that lead to the creation of successful enterprises that contribute to the betterment of society. And in today’s conversation we certainly talk about Harvard, what it’s like to work on a college campus, and what it’s like to be specifically at that college campus during this time in 2023 as we record today’s conversation. Amy has been recognized by the Biannual Thinkers50 Global Ranking of Management Thinkers since 2011, and recently was ranked #1 in 2021. She’s received that organization’s Breakthrough Idea Award in 2019 and Talent Award in 2017. She studies teaming, psychological safety (which is going to be a core concept and competency that you’ve probably heard about at some point if you study environments and teams and groups), and we’re going to talk about the famous Aristotle study that Google did that found that psychological safety was the #1 factor in determining team success, so this is definitely a deep dive into that concept and something that hopefully you can take with your teams and organizations. She also studies organizational learning and her articles have been published in numerous academic and management outlets, including Administrative Science Quarterly, Academy of Management Journal, Harvard Business Review, and California Management Review. She’s written many books, so we’re going to talk about The Fearless Organization, which she wrote in 2019, we’re going to talk about her latest book, The Right Kind of Wrong, so a lot of this conversation is about mistakes and failures, and I highly recommend you check out that book. She’s also written books around this concept of teaming, including Teaming to Innovate and Extreme Teaming. At her core, you’re going to find Amy to be humble but brilliant, you’re going to find her to be nuanced and thoughtful when it comes to psychology and the science of humans, and she is someone that I feel as though, even though she’s got all these accolades, I feel like I could’ve talked to forever.
Amy had a number of amazing insights during our conversation. Some of them include:
“A mindset is something that happens inside your head. It’s an approach. It’s an orientation” (6:35).
“A psychologically safe environment in the classroom is mission-critical for learning and learners” (9:30).
“Safe spaces and psychological safety are almost at odds, almost two opposing ideas rather than compatible ideas [in an educational space]” (12:20).
“Classrooms can be environments where people can take risks and occasionally failures will happen… and through those we will learn and grow and get to be better versions of ourselves” (14:40).
“Psychological safety for me has always been about helping people take their foot off the brakes” (15:05).
“The day you decide you don’t need to learn anymore, and your mind is made up and your opinions about various people and groups is made up, is the day you cease to grow (16:35).
“It starts with a recognition that other human beings are just as important as you are” (21:10).
“We all want to feel that we matter” (23:15).
“The meaningful memories [on our death beds] have to do with other humans” (29:10).
“There’s an asymmetry [to psychological safety]” (30:35).
“Vulnerability is a fact” (33:00).
“If I’m unwilling to confront my vulnerability, then I’m at risk for unhappy surprises” (33:30).
“Neuroscience research suggests that some of the same neurons are firing when we get a psychological assault or harm, like being rejected by a group of friends…, as for a physical harm” (36:20).
“Emotions are incredibly important, incredibly powerful in shaping our human experiences (45:20).
“Probably the most important capacity people can learn, in sports and in life, is how to tame their emotions” (45:55).
“Your emotions can simply be data” (46:40).
“The more expert we get in any given field or domain, the more we can effortlessly process context and take it into consideration” (56:25).
“The best students, the unusually good students, are curious” (59:40).
“To cultivate curiosity and collaboration, you have to truly believe that it’s in your interest to do so” (1:00:35).
“A mistake is an unintended deviation from a known process… A failure is an undesired outcome” (1:03:15).
“There’s no such thing as a mistake in new territory” (1:03:55).
“It’s about creating the safe conditions in which [your kids] can fail” (1:14:30).
Additionally, you can find all of Amy’s information on her website, and also follow her on Twitter and LinkedIn.
Thank you so much to Amy for coming on the podcast!
I wrote a book called “Shift Your Mind” that was released in October of 2020, and you can order it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Additionally, I have launched a company called Strong Skills, and I encourage you to check out our new website https://www.strongskills.co/. If you liked this episode and/or any others, please follow me on Twitter: @brianlevenson or Instagram: @Intentional_Performers.
Thanks for listening.

Wednesday Nov 22, 2023
Brian Levenson, Grace Aduroja Kolker, and Miranda Holder on Collaboration
Wednesday Nov 22, 2023
Wednesday Nov 22, 2023
Today’s episode is going to be a little bit different than our past episodes: I’m actually going to interview two friends of mine, two colleagues, that are going to share their perspective on collaboration.
Miranda Holder is an Executive Coach (and my own personal coach) that has a background in sport. She was a three-sport athlete in High School and then she found Rowing in College where she competed at an elite, high level. She then became a Rowing Coach and ended up becoming the Head Rowing Coach at Georgetown University. That journey of becoming a Rowing Coach ended up leading her to become an Executive Coach. Today, she spends a lot of time working with people in all walks of life in the corporate space, and she considers herself to be an insight wizard. She helps people see themselves in their situation more clearly, and for the people brave enough to do the work, there’s an incredible leader, person, and idea ready to surface. She loves to work with people on being the best leader or CEO that they can be while also taking risk to start a company or refusing to settle into a career path that doesn’t elicit joy and excitement. She loves helping people unlock their potential and at her core, she loves coaching.
Grace Aduroja Kolker is a friend of mine, someone I look up to, and someone who I consider to be a mentor. Grace is a coach and someone who is extremely wise when it comes to things like communication, emotional intelligence, diversity, equity, and inclusion, and decision making. She is someone who I personally have sent many friends to to get coached. She is someone who facilitates dialogue with me on a regular basis and helps me be the best version of myself. Grace is a lawyer by trade, but she also has a journalism background. She is somebody who has had to ask questions for legal purposes, had to ask questions as a journalist, and as somebody who is just ridiculously curious. Grace is amazingly inquisitive and is a leadership coach. She is someone who holds space for people, develops people, and also facilitates conversations in group experiences. Grace is someone who I look up to, someone who makes me wiser and better at my job, and we often co-facilitate together. Additionally, she has a high-potential accelerator where she will work with individuals one-on-one.
Here's a quick summary and some key takeaways from this conversation: In today’s episode, Brian, Grace, and Miranda discussed the paradox of autonomy and collaboration, the importance of collaboration, and its challenges and benefits. Additionally, they emphasized the importance of vulnerability, fulfillment, and clear communication in collaboration. Brian acknowledged his struggle with receiving help and understanding others' strengths. The group also discussed the need to work on aspects of collaboration to enhance teamwork and productivity.
More specifically, Grace and Miranda had a number of amazing insights during our conversation. Some of them include:
“If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together” (12:00) – Grace
“The question of ‘Why?’ is less important to me than ‘Where do we go from here?’” (17:20) – Miranda
“I work on my own because I don’t like working for other people” (18:10) – Miranda
“Being in that energy of receiving can be really difficult” (22:45) – Miranda
“One of my weaknesses is I don’t allow people to contribute to me” (25:15) – Grace
“There is a vulnerability [to collaboration]” (26:40) – Grace
“I love being accountable and there’s a lot I’m accountable for. But I don’t want to be responsible for it all” (29:10) – Grace
“People who deliver excellence deliver excellence across the board” (32:50) – Grace
“The body [has] the ability to sense and be with the complexity of multiple experiences and multiple feelings and sensations” (48:215) – Miranda
“I want to be tested and see if I’m good enough more than I want to avoid the discomfort of the challenge” (49:40) – Miranda
“As you mature, you start from a place of dependence” (1:02:55) – Grace
“That ability to sink into interdependence is so powerful” (1:05:35) – Miranda
“The relationship matters to me more than anything else” (1:17:40) – Grace
“You’ve got to do you own work first” (1:18:10) – Grace
Thank you so much to Grace and Miranda for coming on the podcast!
I wrote a book called “Shift Your Mind” that was released in October of 2020, and you can order it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Additionally, I have launched a company called Strong Skills, and I encourage you to check out our new website https://www.strongskills.co/. If you liked this episode and/or any others, please follow me on Twitter: @brianlevenson or Instagram: @Intentional_Performers.
Thanks for listening.

Wednesday Nov 15, 2023
Anson Dorrance on Human Development
Wednesday Nov 15, 2023
Wednesday Nov 15, 2023
Coach Anson Dorrance is the Head Coach of the University of North Carolina’s Women’s Soccer Team. He’s the only Head Coach in program history, having coached 45 seasons as the Women’s Head Coach. He graduated from North Carolina, he spent his time there, he actually coached the Men’s team and the Women’s team when he first got there. He’s won over 1000 games and he’s won 22 National Championships. He has coached some of the best soccer players of all time and won a World Cup with the Women’s Soccer Team. So, in women’s soccer coaching history from a legacy standpoint, Coach Dorrance is the cream of the crop. He’s on the Mount Rushmore of coaching in general, but especially in women’s soccer. He’s in the Soccer Hall of Fame, he’s been named Coach of the Year seven times, the resume just goes on and on and on. He is someone who obviously knows a lot about what it takes to build a team, to build a roster, to develop character, and to develop a competitive spirit. We’re going to talk a lot about collaboration and competitive spirit in this conversation, we’re going to discuss leadership ad nauseam and at length, and you’re going to find really quickly that Coach Dorrance has intentional values that he uses and leverages with his team that are constantly evolving. So, this is someone who has built a program and he will continue to lead that program for the next 5 years, as we get into in today’s conversation. At the end of the day, this is someone who loves to develop humans and he cares deeply about developing humans and he thinks about developing humans all the time. He is truly a lifelong learner. It was a pleasure, it was an honor to learn from him; I hope you pull out a pad of paper and a pen and start taking notes because there are just a ton of gems throughout today’s conversation.
Coach Dorrance had a number of amazing insights during our conversation. Some of them include:
“It’s not really a sports season unless there’s some sort of crisis you’re dealing with” (7:20).
“I just like to play sports and read books” (16:50).
“The truly extraordinary business leaders construct a business that can basically last forever” (18:40).
“My main job is human development” (23:10).
“The key is to be falling forward” (34:40).
“What’s critical is the way you construct your own narrative” (35:25).
“We still want to be responsible for our failures” (35:50).
“There’s nothing wrong with failing” (36:25).
“What’s critical for the leaders is to embrace their role” (37:10).
“The ideal form of leadership is someone who will lead verbally” (39:25).
“[The most critical element for success in all of the team’s I’ve had] is good leadership” (40:15).
“If you don’t have the capacity to lead yourself, you’re not going to be in position to lead anyone else” (40:40).
“I treasure the leaders I’m given, but I don’t take any credit for them” (46:15).
“We all live on a leadership continuum” (50:15).
“The kids I’m recruiting know where they’re coming” (57:20).
“The truly elite players want to know where they stand” (57:45).
“I love the accountability of data for your performance” (1:05:05).
“The truly great competitors have to understand that if you truly want to win it’s not about you winning in a team sport, it’s about the team winning” (1:06:25).
“Self-belief is something I’m not going to touch” (1:20:50).
“Energizing is a form of collaboration” (1:21:20).
“I believe in leading a principle-centered life” (1:25:05).
“I believe in governing without rules” (1:27:25).
“I believe in trying to get everyone’s personal narrative to the truth as fast as possible. And how do we do that? With data” (1:27:30).
Additionally, you can purchase Coach Dorrance’s books, Training Soccer Champions and The Vision of a Champion, anywhere books are sold. You can also find Coach Dorrance’s website here.
Thank you so much to Coach Dorrance for coming on the podcast!
I wrote a book called “Shift Your Mind” that was released in October of 2020, and you can order it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Additionally, I have launched a company called Strong Skills, and I encourage you to check out our new website https://www.strongskills.co/. If you liked this episode and/or any others, please follow me on Twitter: @brianlevenson or Instagram: @Intentional_Performers.
Thanks for listening.

Wednesday Nov 08, 2023
Jack Easterby on Decision Making
Wednesday Nov 08, 2023
Wednesday Nov 08, 2023
Jack Easterby is a respected figure in sports management and leadership. Currently, he is a consultant based out of Charlotte, NC.
Throughout his career, Easterby has contributed to various organizations, including the National Football League, the Kansas City Chiefs, the New England Patriots, the Houston Texans, the Southeastern Conference, the University of South Carolina, Clemson University, and the United States Olympic Teams. He has also been involved in head coaching searches for different sports at universities. Most recently he held the title of Executive Vice President of Football Operations for the Texans.
Easterby is known as a trusted advisor to players and coaches and has experience as a speaker at universities, graduations, and charity events.
Apart from his professional life, Jack Easterby is a family man, married to Holly, and has two daughters, Houston and Harriet. He is also passionate about his community and has established The Greatest Champion Foundation, focusing on curriculums, team-building strategies, and sports ministries nationwide. His approach to leadership emphasizes "Kingdom Ethics," incorporating faith into different aspects of life, leaving an impact on sports and leadership ethics.
Jack had a number of amazing insights during our conversation. Some of them include:
“Sports franchises have evolutions” (8:10).
“Every franchise is not going to evolve at the same rate” (8:35).
“No organization is one thing away” (9:10).
“We’ve got to be able to create a culture where everything is examined; everything matters” (9:30).
“Any good system, any good program, has evaluated all of the downsides. Evaluate the risk” (12:45).
“There’s a lot of fake deadlines out there now where people feel the need to answer things or do things in an expedient fashion where maybe they could delay a little bit and make time for themselves to get all of the facts on the table” (15:40).
“People feel a need for speed, and that’s not always a good thing” (16:50).
“If you want the empathy of those around you, if you want the empathy to be pervading emotion if you will, I think you need to be able to admit you mess up” (19:45).
“Sometimes a leader has to fall on a sword even though it may not be directly their fault” (21:50).
“One of the things that is absolutely cornerstone to good leadership is creating emotional stability in your group” (24:55).
“I have always looked at organizations as a team of teams” (31:45).
“It all matters” (32:50).
“Anyone in leadership can fall prey to mantras and phrases that have emptiness in them” (36:35).
“When I’ve looked back on the really good decisions I’ve made, they’ve been the ones I’ve vetted on every level” (39:10).
“The best decisions are made with multi-factorial inputs” (44:55).
“Sometimes a step forward is a step back” (49:00).
“Most organizations right now are realizing the need for a comprehensive database” (57:15).
“There is no greater action in the current climate, with sports or with business, than creating a unified database” (58:05).
“Our country in general is in the greatest need in the history of our country of high character people to be in leadership” (1:02:55).
“The most sustainable, long-term attribute of great leaders is they have consistent character” (1:04:05).
“We have to think about what we think about” (1:15:30).
Additionally, you can follow Jack on Twitter and find The Greatest Champion Website here.
Thank you so much to Jack for coming on the podcast!
I wrote a book called “Shift Your Mind” that was released in October of 2020, and you can order it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Additionally, I have launched a company called Strong Skills, and I encourage you to check out our new website https://www.strongskills.co/. If you liked this episode and/or any others, please follow me on Twitter: @brianlevenson or Instagram: @Intentional_Performers.
Thanks for listening.

Wednesday Nov 01, 2023
Dusty May on Building a Contender
Wednesday Nov 01, 2023
Wednesday Nov 01, 2023
Dusty May is the Head Men’s Basketball Coach at Florida Atlantic University. You may have heard of Dusty and his program based on last season’s success in college basketball. They won 35 games and they became a darling during the NCAA tournament when they made it to the Final Four in an incredible run. What’s interesting about that run is Dusty took over the program 5 years ago, and since taking over they have not had a losing season. But Florida Atlantic has had plenty of losing in their past; they actually have only been around since the 90’s as a program. So, Dusty is really in the process of building something and there are high expectations for this upcoming season as well. So, we’ll talk about expectations in this conversation. We’ll also talk about why he decided to stay at Florida Atlantic. He obviously had other opportunities to go elsewhere, to go to bigger programs with bigger budgets and more opportunities to recruit, and Dusty decided to stay at Florida Atlantic, he loves it there and he really is in the process of trying to build something special at that campus, and I wouldn’t put it past him to be able to do so. In this conversation, we talk about the culture that he builds, the staff that he wants to surround his players with, we talk about things like loyalty and teamwork, and what it takes to build a consistent winner. Dusty is an enthusiastic guy. He’s going to talk about likability in this conversation, and he’s one of the most likable people I’ve had the good fortune of having on this podcast.
Dusty had a number of amazing insights during our conversation. Some of them include:
“At different times of our life and stages of our career, we all want something different” (7:50).
“Growing up in this business, loyalty becomes something that’s almost ingrained in you” (10:50).
“We didn’t expect our guys to come back out of loyalty, we expected them to make the best decisions for them, their families, and their futures” (11:10).
“Imposter syndrome is much more common than people realize” (13:25).
“I’m very comfortable in my own skin” (15:30).
“Sometimes doing too much can actually backfire and take you in reverse” (17:40).
“I love being a coach, it’s a big part of my identity because I have so much respect not only for the profession, but for the impact my coaches had on me” (18:50).
“Any time you see your parents do something that they absolutely love to do, you’re probably inclined to at least give it a shot” (22:45).
“As long as we’re surrounded with a great staff who’s committed to helping our players, and as long as our players are committed to being the best they can be… then it’d be very difficult for me to be unhappy” (25:45).
“We spend a lot of time trying to read the room and tailoring our messaging to what the team needs” (34:45).
“I got most of my satisfaction, personally, during the [Final Four] run from seeing our players and their families and the joy it brought so many people together” (36:10).
“I’m process-oriented; the outcome is not what drives me” (36:15).
“I would be very disappointed if our players didn’t think practice was enjoyable most of the time” (41:30).
“There is joy in the work” (41:50).
“I know how difficult it is to be the coach’s son” (48:50).
“What I love to do doesn’t have to be what [my kids] love to do” (50:20).
“It’s not basketball. You’re coaching life; you’re coaching people” (52:20).
“A big part of my job is teaching” (59:50).
“It’s the joy of competing, it’s the joy of the work, it’s the joy of doing it together; those are the things I love much more than being the only one standing at the end of the season” (1:02:55).
Additionally, you can follow Dusty on Twitter.
Thank you so much to Dusty for coming on the podcast!
I wrote a book called “Shift Your Mind” that was released in October of 2020, and you can order it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Additionally, I have launched a company called Strong Skills, and I encourage you to check out our new website https://www.strongskills.co/. If you liked this episode and/or any others, please follow me on Twitter: @brianlevenson or Instagram: @Intentional_Performers.
Thanks for listening.

Wednesday Oct 25, 2023
Matthew Dicks on Storytelling
Wednesday Oct 25, 2023
Wednesday Oct 25, 2023
Matthew Dicks is a bestselling author of fiction and non-fiction books. His fiction books are Memoirs of an Imaginary Friend; Something Missing; Unexpectedly Milo; The Perfect Comeback of Caroline Jacobs; 21 Truths About Love; and The Other Mother. And he also has non-fiction books which is how I came to really find out about him through his work around storytelling. His book Storyworthy, which is about engaging, teaching, and persuading to change your life through the power of storytelling, and Someday is Today: 22 Simple, Actionable Ways to Propel your Creative Life. So, at his core, Matthew is a storyteller and he’s going to tell great stories in today’s conversation. He uses storytelling to really create and leverage philosophical beliefs and wisdom and ideas to help us live a better life. He’s also a teacher. He’s won awards as a teacher, he has won awards as a storyteller, he is the author of a rock opera called The Clowns and the musicals Caught in the Middle, Sticks and Stones, and Summertime. He’s also a wedding DJ. His content has been featured and published in Reader’s Digest, The Huffington Post, Parent’s Magazine, and more places. He is someone who is multi-faceted, as you’re going to find out in today’s conversation. But once again, he is a storyteller and a storytelling champion. He’s won a record 56 times from The Moth Story Slam Championship. We’re going to talk about competing in this conversation, we’ll talk about parenting and teaching. He teaches fifth grade and it’s interesting to get his perspective on his mindset when he’s teaching, when he’s doing TED Talks, when he’s writing, as he’s podcasting in today’s conversation. You can tell that Matthew, I think, shows up very similarly in all of those spaces because he believes in storytelling as a thing and a tool and a skill that we can use in our daily lives. He’s also the Co-Founder and Artistic Director of Speak Up, which is a Hartford-based storytelling organization that produces shows throughout New England. Matthew’s also a Yankee fan, so we’ll talk about sports in today’s conversation. And, once again, I think you’re just going to love Matthew’s approach to life, his desire to continue to make conversations and interactions more intentional, more thoughtful, and with storytelling in mind.
Matthew had a number of amazing insights during our conversation. Some of them include:
“I want to have the story” (6:25).
“Storytelling, for me, is a way of making sense of my life” (6:50).
“The most important audience for any story you tell in your entire life is yourself” (6:55).
“When I tell stories about my life, my life gets better both in the moment and in reflection” (7:10).
“I’m so deeply curious about why I am who I am” (8:00).
“Everything that’s happened in the past is essentially who we are now” (10:05).
“I try to bring in every possible element of life to my classroom that I can” (10:55).
“What you have now does not define your future” (11:45).
“When I’m writing fiction, it’s a little scarier because I don’t know what the end is, and I don’t know if there is an end” (16:20).
“One of the things I love to do is talk to kids about unsung heroes” (19:50).
“I seek to ensure that kids know how much I care about them as quickly as possible” (22:35).
“As a teacher, I give positive feedback relentlessly” (28:35).
“Everyone wants some validation, everyone wants some appreciation, everyone wants to know that some of the stuff I did was good” (29:35).
“Every time you’re going to say something critical to someone, there should be 6 positive things that are accompanying it” (29:50).
“Statistics collapse when fear arrives” (39:25).
“Every single day, the third slide I show my kids is a message that says, ‘mistakes are valuable.’ We celebrate mistakes” (42:00).
“I want to see [my students’] mistakes. I love their mistakes. We’ll learn from them” (43:00).
“Schools should be fun. The number one thing should be that schools are fun” (45:25).
“Choice is a way to entertain kids” (46:15).
“Every single day, every lesson I teach, there has to be a reason why kids are excited to do it. And that is the only reason I have been successful as a teacher” (46:30).
“I make kids love coming to school and it solves all my problems” (46:50).
“In my mind, there is always a competition” (52:00).
“My competition in the classroom, and there is a lot of it, is almost always centered around effort and kindness” (53:55).
“Constantly look to expand rather than contract” (58:10).
“Whenever someone invites me to do something new, I always say yes even if it sounds terrible because it’s an opportunity to expand my life, and if I don’t like it, I’ll just close that door and move on to something else” (58:15).
“I’m shameless” (1:02:55).
Additionally, you can find all of Matthew’s info, including links to purchase all of his books, on his website. You can also go to storyworthymd.com to find courses and other free materials to learn how to become a better storyteller.
Thank you so much to Matthew for coming on the podcast!
I wrote a book called “Shift Your Mind” that was released in October of 2020, and you can order it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Additionally, I have launched a company called Strong Skills, and I encourage you to check out our new website https://www.strongskills.co/. If you liked this episode and/or any others, please follow me on Twitter: @brianlevenson or Instagram: @Intentional_Performers.
Thanks for listening.

Wednesday Oct 18, 2023
JP Nerbun on Embracing Pain to Embrace Culture
Wednesday Oct 18, 2023
Wednesday Oct 18, 2023
J.P. Nerbun is a bestselling author, leadership coach, and founder of TOC Culture Consulting, a leading global sports consulting and leadership coaching business. His mission is to help leaders and their teams achieve their full potential through 1:1 coaching, consulting, and community.
Nerbun has an impressive track record of guiding leaders at esteemed institutions such as Stanford University, Harvard University, the University of Texas, the USGA, PWC, and Chick-fil-A. His work spans across sports, education, healthcare, and business.
Nerbun is also the author of two acclaimed books: Calling Up: Discovering Your Journey to Transformational Leadership (2019) and The Culture System: A Proven Process for Creating an Extraordinary Team Culture (2022). In 2023, he launched The Culture System Online Training Platform, which has been praised for being the most comprehensive online coach education available. His podcast, Coaching Culture, is one of the top sports leadership podcasts globally.
Nerbun lives in Ireland with his wife and their three children.
J.P. had a number of amazing insights during our conversation. Some of them include:
“In every step of my training [for running ultra-marathons] I kept failing massively, but I kept learning from those failures” (10:30).
“When you’re doing hard things, looking for help [and] asking for help is actually strength, it’s not weakness” (12:05).
“Our brain works against us often times as leaders” (17:10).
“Sometimes pain, reaching those rock bottoms, becomes the foundation upon which you can build” (25:30).
“Those painful moments teach us a lot, but they also make us desperate to try new things, to experiment with new things” (25:40).
“You don’t have really strong relationships with people, there’s not high levels of trust, if you don’t actually treat each other well, work hard, hold each other to a high standard” (30:50).
“[Good culture is] the connected group that works hard” (31:25).
“People want to show up to a place where they feel seen, heard, and loved” (39:15).
“[Trauma research shows that potentially] more healing than therapy itself is just being part of a connected group” (47:10).
“Can you continue to invest in your people knowing that in the long term, but maybe not the short term, the results are going to have a better chance of being what you want them to be?” (47:30).
“Character is really hard to assess, probably even harder to assess than talent” (52:15).
“I think the real quality of a coach or leader is their ability to reach the unreachables” (53:45).
“Without awareness, we can’t take ownership. We can’t make change” (58:00).
“I’m so okay with failure” (1:01:10).
“[My ability to let go of fear] came from experiencing it enough and knowing that those were the greatest moments for growth in my life” (1:02:50).
“I’m looking for where’s the next way to stretch myself, where’s the next way to enter into some of that discomfort?” (1:09:20).
Additionally, you can connect directly with J.P. via email (jpnerbun@tocculture.com) and on Twitter. You can also purchase J.P.’s most recent book, The Culture System: A Proven Process for Creating an Extraordinary Team Culture, anywhere books are sold, and you can find The Culture System website here.
Thank you so much to J.P. for coming on the podcast!
I wrote a book called “Shift Your Mind” that was released in October of 2020, and you can order it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Additionally, I have launched a company called Strong Skills, and I encourage you to check out our new website https://www.strongskills.co/. If you liked this episode and/or any others, please follow me on Twitter: @brianlevenson or Instagram: @Intentional_Performers.
Thanks for listening.

Wednesday Oct 11, 2023
Nita Farahany on Cognitive Liberty
Wednesday Oct 11, 2023
Wednesday Oct 11, 2023
Nita Farahany is one of those people that I get the pleasure of interviewing that when I read her bio or hear her speak or read her stuff, I’m thinking to myself how the heck am I going to interview this person who is ten times smarter and more accomplished than I am. And that is the truth, I’m not just lowering my intelligence for the sake of this conversation or this introduction; it is how I feel. I get nervous and anxious talking to people like Nita. And so, I’m going to give you Nita’s bio, and then I want you to listen to this conversation. And more than the bio and more than the information and knowledge and wisdom that she shares, what I appreciate about Nita is how down to earth she was. And I’ve seen her in person on stage, I’ve watched TED Talks, I’ve read her book, and I think if you’re sitting back and receiving that content when she’s in performance mode, it is awe inspiring. She’s someone who’s brilliant and shares her brilliance in an efficient, profound way, which I really struggle with. And once again, this conversation is about as authentic, genuine, real, vulnerable, as any that I’ve had. And so, her capacity to share her knowledge and wisdom in a setting where she’s expected to do so, at a level that is just extremely high, as a world-class thinker, is incredible. And then her ability to bring it down to earth and share it with people like myself is really what I’m truly grateful for.
So, here’s her bio: she’s a pioneering futurist and authority on laws, ethics, and technology. She’s a distinguished professor of law and philosophy and founding director of Duke University’s Science and Society Initiative. In her book, The Battle for Your Brain, which we discuss quite frequently in this conversation, she champions cognitive liberty, which is really at the core of today’s conversation. And a lot of Nita’s work is around this framework, this ideology, this thought, this concept, of cognitive liberty and how that shakes up and shows itself in a digital era, a digital environment, that we are all living in. Her insights shared from TED stages to global policy forums, guide responsible advancements in science and technology. Her background educationally: she received an AB in Genetics, Cell, and Development Biology from Dartmouth, an ALM in Biology from Harvard, a JD and MA from Duke University, as well as a PhD in Philosophy.
You’re going to love this conversation. We go into parenting, we go into philosophy, we go into ethics, we really run a broad range of subjects, and I love people with range, so I know you’re going to love Nina too.
Nita had a number of amazing insights during our conversation. Some of them include:
“Everything gets filtered through a lens for me of kids” (8:30).
“I have girls, and I [want them to see] it’s okay to have a career and it’s okay to have times that are about developing that career” (10:40).
“I say no a lot to external opportunities, especially when my kids are young” (11:20).
“For any working parent with children, we feel that struggle all the time of how do you show up for your kids in ways that are meaningful and impactful and how do you have the impact you want to have on the world, which also could change the world you’re creating for them, not just at the micro level but at the macro level as well?” (12:10).
“When I say that I arm myself with knowledge, that doesn’t come just from books” (14:05).
“A parent who thinks they know everything is quickly schooled by their children that they know nothing at all” (15:25).
“The biggest thing I’ve had to grapple with as a parent is being less of a control freak” (16:05).
“I hope my kids feel like they have the freedom to figure out who they are and what they’re passionate about and know that no matter what I’m there behind them” (24:05).
“Sometimes we become so comfortable in our lesson plans that we forget what we’re trying to teach” (26:15).
“Ultimately what we’re trying to teach is people thinking freely so they can navigate the world” (27:05).
“Cognitive liberty is the right to self-determination over our brain’s mental experiences” (29:45).
“The ability to have an inner monologue, a space of mental reprieve, a place where you can figure out who you are or what you like or don’t like or choose what you share with people or don’t share with people, I think matters so much more to people than they really realize” (35:40).
“Your right to cognitive liberty should be what governs your choices, not somebody else making the choices about what your brain and mental experiences will look like and feel like and be shaped by without any input that you might have otherwise” (38:20).
“Choosing to erase a memory has consequences, and those consequences include developing the resilience to overcome a breakup and to learn from it, to incorporate and understand and refine what it is that you’re looking for and to learn from your mistakes and to learn from your hurt and to learn that you can survive heartache and that you’re strong enough to get through each of those things” (42:10).
“To enable advances in mental health more generally, we need to give people the tools and techniques to be able to see into themselves much better” (49:50).
“If we want humans to emerge from the digital age both having any capacity for freedom of thought and also any capacity to flourish, we have to realign technology with human values” (55:55).
“What we’re doing all day every day is developing a theory of mind of other people and trying to persuade them” (1:00:40).
“Modern technology is being designed to have you check out” (1:01:45).
“Every person when you peel back the layers, I think has an interesting set of complexities” (1:08:30).
“My legacy I hope for people is to be able to think freely in an era in which if we don’t it could go disastrously badly for us, for our children, for the human species, for the planet” (1:10:00).
Additionally, you can purchase Nita’s book, The Battle for Your Brain, anywhere books are sold. You can also check out Nita’s website and follow her on Twitter and LinkedIn. Lastly, I’d encourage you to watch Nita’s most recent TED Talk.
Thank you so much to Nita for coming on the podcast!
I wrote a book called “Shift Your Mind” that was released in October of 2020, and you can order it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Additionally, I have launched a company called Strong Skills, and I encourage you to check out our new website https://www.strongskills.co/. If you liked this episode and/or any others, please follow me on Twitter: @brianlevenson or Instagram: @Intentional_Performers.
Thanks for listening.

Wednesday Oct 04, 2023
Joe Alberici on True Toughness
Wednesday Oct 04, 2023
Wednesday Oct 04, 2023
Joe Alberici is currently the Head Men’s Lacrosse Coach at Army – West Point. We could just have a conversation on lacrosse and that would be fascinating and how he leads, but being at Army and experiencing West Point, he’s going to bring a lot of the leadership principles that exist on that campus, and it is a unique special place and he’s going to take us behind the curtain as far as what makes Army – West Point so special. He’s going to talk specifically around captainship and leadership in this conversation. If Joe sounds familiar to you, he gave a speech that went viral recently about this notion of being a tough guy at life and how important it is to be inclusive and rethink about how we often think about toughness. And when I think about our military and I think about cadets that might go through West Point, we certainly think of them as physically tough, but Joe’s going to talk about in this conversation how much he values mental toughness and emotional toughness. I think you’re going to find Joe to be pretty holistically sound. We talk about culture, we talk about leadership, and how proud and how fortunate he feels to have the opportunity to coach at Army. And look, Army Lacrosse has become a contender. They beat the University of Maryland lacrosse team last year in the NCAA tournament; Maryland had won the National Championship the year before. So, he is coaching high level lacrosse players who also have a pride and a determination and a desire to serve our country. So, if I think about the type of people I would want my children to be coached by, I think about Coach Joe and I think about how he leverages his own faith, how he leverages his own philosophy, his upbringing, and his experience to pour into the student athletes that he surrounds himself with. So, this is a masterclass in humility, in confidence, in belief, and in having values and principles and being led by those.
Joe had a number of amazing insights during our conversation. Some of them include:
“I’ve got a couple of built-in things to keep me humble” (6:15).
“I need to serve [my student athletes]. They deserve the best” (7:25).
“I look at [greatness] as something to aspire towards” (9:25).
“The way we honor the tradition is by building upon it” (11:30).
“We embrace [tradition], but we are always looking for better ways to do it” (12:50).
“There’s so many important things you do at the United States Military Academy… but what I’m of firm belief of… is there’s nothing more impactful than their time in our lacrosse family” (18:00).
“So much is made of the challenges here at West Point. The untold story is… there’s no place that supports you more than West Point” (20:45).
“When they accept you at West Point, they’re not telling you you’re good enough to get in, they’re telling you you’re good enough to graduate” (22:15).
“There’s a vulnerability that myself and my staff, we’re the first to model, and it permeates through our organization” (23:30).
“We tend to gravitate towards what we love the most; often what we love the most is what we do the best” (30:35).
“Our mission is to become a West Point man” (31:10).
“One of our pillars is being unrelenting towards excellence [in all that we do]” (31:40).
“You get to show up in this locker room with some of the greatest people you’ll ever know” (40:25).
“We’re above moral victories in this program. That’s not what we’re showing up to do against anybody” (47:00).
“It doesn’t really matter if we’re the better team than them. It only matters that we’re better for those 60 minutes” (47:15).
“Any time I have young people to speak to, I deliver the exact same message, and it is about being a tough guy or a tough girl” (54:00).
“It’s really important to give 100% 100% of the time” (56:20).
“One of the ways you demonstrate toughness is by being inclusive” (58:10).
“That decision to [bring others in] will make you better” (59:00).
“Don’t wait for the thank you, the appreciation. Just do it because it’s right” (1:03:35).
“If the leadership model is to bring everyone in, you’ve got to be humble enough to not have your stamp on it” (1:16:10).
“Be the model” (1:17:15).
“We want a team full of leaders. But part of being a great leader is you have to be humble” (1:17:55).
Additionally, you can follow Joe on Twitter and you can follow the Army Lacrosse Team on Twitter and Instagram.
Thank you so much to Joe for coming on the podcast!
I wrote a book called “Shift Your Mind” that was released in October of 2020, and you can order it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Additionally, I have launched a company called Strong Skills, and I encourage you to check out our new website https://www.strongskills.co/. If you liked this episode and/or any others, please follow me on Twitter: @brianlevenson or Instagram: @Intentional_Performers.
Thanks for listening.

Wednesday Sep 27, 2023
Tim Chi on Lessons from Entrepreneurship
Wednesday Sep 27, 2023
Wednesday Sep 27, 2023
Tim Chi is the Chief Executive Officer of The Knot Worldwide. After getting married in 2005, Tim set out to make wedding planning less stressful and frustrating. Together with his co-founders Jeff, Lee and Sonny, they threw four desks into his empty living room in Chevy Chase, Maryland and created WeddingWire, which became a leading global vendor marketplace serving the wedding industry, helping millions of engaged couples plan, execute and celebrate the most important day of their lives. WeddingWire grew to 1,000 employees worldwide and owned leading wedding brands in North America, Europe, South America and India. In 2019, Tim became CEO of The Knot Worldwide following the merger of XO Group Inc. (parent company of The Knot) and WeddingWire Inc. Previously, Tim co-founded Blackboard Inc. in 1998. While at Blackboard, Tim pioneered many of Blackboard’s flagship products and strategic initiatives, bringing technology into the classrooms of colleges, universities and school districts across the world. During his tenure, the company raised over $100 million in capital and was taken public on the Nasdaq in 2004.
Tim holds a B.S. in operations research and industrial engineering from Cornell University and an M.S. in engineering management from Tufts University. He resides in Maryland with his family and is based out of The Knot Worldwide’s Chevy Chase headquarters.
Tim had a number of amazing insights during our conversation. Some of them include:
“I actually do try to separate the idea of video game time from screen time” (7:20).
“Video gaming time [for my kids] is generally done with me” (7:30).
“We’re trying to create an intentional balance around exposing [our kids] to different things” (10:35).
“A lot of dedicated athletes do really well in any occupation I think because of that discipline and because of the team winning mentality” (12:10).
“I just know I’m not good at a lot of things” (13:25).
“In order to really excel, you need to have complementary skillsets at the table” (13:35).
“My chance of success is much improved if I’m working with partners” (14:05).
“Everything starts with relationships because that’s where trust gets built” (14:35).
“I tend not to take up as much headspace thinking about things that I’m not an expert in or I can’t connect with” (21:20).
“Disruption is natural” (22:15).
“Everybody has really good ideas, the difference is entrepreneurs do something about it; they’re willing to take a risk” (22:25).
“I like to think of myself as a realist with slightly rose-colored glasses on everything” (35:20).
“Video gaming is one of my escapes” (36:05)
“Everybody is entitled to make mistakes. It really is what did you learn from it?” (37:30).
“We know people are going to move on [from our company] and that life circumstances change. But what would be great is if people that left here said ‘I learned something, I took something away that helped me move to that next thing…’ That to me is success” (42:30).
“The how and when you implement it, those tend to have to get pessimized a lot” (47:30).
“I’m sort of just generally bullish on the idea that access to information and knowledge is a good thing for the world” (52:30).
“Start with a problem statement. What are we trying to solve here?” (56:00).
“Culture sits there as a broad-based thing, norms are how it shows up daily” (59:10).
“I do try to be very self-reflective about things and just in my own mental model always learning” (1:01:05).
“My personal development has really come from other people who I trust who I’ve built relationships with pushing me forward” (1:02:30).
Additionally, you can connect with Tim himself on LinkedIn here, and also follow The Knot Worldwide on LinkedIn here.
Thank you so much to Tim for coming on the podcast!
I wrote a book called “Shift Your Mind” that was released in October of 2020, and you can order it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Additionally, I have launched a company called Strong Skills, and I encourage you to check out our new website https://www.strongskills.co/. If you liked this episode and/or any others, please follow me on Twitter: @brianlevenson or Instagram: @Intentional_Performers.
Thanks for listening.

Wednesday Sep 20, 2023
Dr. Stefanie Johnson on The Power of Inclusion
Wednesday Sep 20, 2023
Wednesday Sep 20, 2023
Dr. Stefanie Johnson is an author, a professor, a keynote speaker, and she studies the intersection of leadership and diversity. And you’re going to hear intersections and polarities in today’s conversation. And I think what is really fascinating about Stef is that, in a world where we talk about things in leadership and things in diversity as soundbites, and we try to put them into labels and think in very black and white ways, Stef in her research and her findings and her theories really does speak in nuance. She focuses on how unconscious bias affects the evaluation of leaders, and also on strategies that leaders can use to mitigate bias. Stef has a great book called Inclusify, which is all about harnessing the power of uniqueness and belonging to build innovative teams. She thinks that inclusify, this idea of inclusion, is really about both uniqueness and belonging; so how do you let people have the autonomy to express themselves, while also understanding that they’re part of something bigger than themselves. She is a well-established researcher and scholar. She works with some of the best companies in the world to help them create more inclusive leaders; we’ll talk about her work with NASA and with the NFL. She also brings up her work in healthcare, she has extensive consulting experience, and she’s created and delivered leadership development trainings with an emphasis on evidence-based practices. She’s a fellow in the Society of Industrial Organizational Psychologists and the American Psychological Society. She’s also passionate about disseminating her work more broadly and has taught two LinkedIn learning courses on how to increase diversity and inclusion in corporations. She’s written for the Harvard Business Review and she’s an in-demand keynote speaker; she’s presented her work at over 170 meetings around the world, including at the White House for a 2016 summit on diversity in corporate America on National Equal Pay Day. She’s been feature in the Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg, The Huffington Post, The Washington Post, CNN, ABC, NBC, and more. At her core, I think you’re going to find her to be extremely approachable, extremely curious, and someone who’s not necessarily judgmental, and open to finding ways to collaborate with others to make our world a little bit better.
Stef had a number of amazing insights during our conversation. Some of them include:
“We use stereotypes as quick methods of making sense of the world” (11:00).
“You hear a lot ‘We want someone who’s going to fit our culture.’ I like to take a spin on that and say, ‘Who’s going to add to our culture?” (14:20).
“Having people who are all the same means we’re probably missing out on a huge percentage of our customer base because we’re only going to appeal to a certain type of customer” (15:05).
“In conversation, when everyone sees things the same way, we make much less innovative, and even accurate, decisions. You’re way better off having people who are really different from each other, even if they know less, than having a really similar group of experts” (15:20).
“When you try to make people the same, the reality is people are just hiding their differences” (17:40),
“The way that I describe inclusion… is this idea that you can be your unique self and at the same time you can belong” (23:00).
“If [your employees are] going in [to work], provide opportunities to really benefit from that” (25:40).
“Those little decisions about who’s likely to get what opportunity are likely to be influenced by stereotypes” (32:00).
“If you’re only interviewing a small demographic… I can guarantee you you’re never going to have any diversity. It’s not possible. So, I love the idea of diverse slates because that means you might spot someone who could really be a game changer” (40:10).
“You need white men to create diversity. You need all people” (42:30).
“We need everyone working together, collaborating, to create an inclusive environment where everyone can be successful” (42:55).
“If you really want a diverse background, you’ve got to think broadly about what that means” (48:05).
“There are way more differences within generations than there are across generations” (49:00).
“I seek to understand where people are coming from and how did they get there” (52:45).
“Everyone got to where they are based on their life experiences” (53:15).
“We can always be learning and growing, and we should always maintain that curiosity. And really, the best leaders are those who maintain humility, at least intellectual humility, to think they still have things to learn from others” (1:00:05).
“Before you tell anyone the answer, ask questions” (1:00:35).
“We all have headwinds and tailwinds, we all have privilege and things that slowed us down, and recognizing those in yourself, acknowledging them, I think allows you to be more curious about other peoples’ experiences” (1:06:25).
“We know curiosity is at its least when we feel attacked or threatened” (1:07:15).
Additionally, you can learn more about Stef on her website, learn more about Inclusify on the Inclusify website, and also learn more about the Center for Leadership at Colorado Boulder here. Lastly, you can connect with Stef on Twitter, Instagram, and LinkedIn.
Thank you so much to Stef for coming on the podcast!
I wrote a book called “Shift Your Mind” that was released in October of 2020, and you can order it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Additionally, I have launched a company called Strong Skills, and I encourage you to check out our new website https://www.strongskills.co/. If you liked this episode and/or any others, please follow me on Twitter: @brianlevenson or Instagram: @Intentional_Performers.
Thanks for listening.

Wednesday Sep 13, 2023
Trevor Ragan on Learning to Learn
Wednesday Sep 13, 2023
Wednesday Sep 13, 2023
Trevor Ragan is the founder of The Learner Lab - an educational website designed to unpack and share the science of learning and development.
He spends his time with thought leaders and researchers from the worlds of psychology and developmental science, consumes their research, connects the dots, and shares it with anyone that will listen.
He's worked with professional, college, and Olympic sports teams, Fortune 50 companies, prisons, and in hundreds of schools across the country. These workshops are designed to help people understand and apply important principles of development, in order to become better, more resilient learners.
Trevor had a number of amazing insights during our conversation. Some of them include:
“Learning is underrated” (6:20).
“Learning is a skill. You can’t argue with that. It is something that you can get better at” (6:30).
“If I’m good at learning, that’s going to benefit me in any scenario” (6:50).
“You don’t have to love a loss. You don’t have to love getting rejected. You don’t have to love getting cut. But we can appreciate that within those setbacks, there are opportunities” (18:10).
“I look at learning as a treasure hunt. If I get to learn a new a topic, I get really excited” (22:35).
“We live in the best time ever for learning right now” (23:15).
“Curiosity is super underrated” (26:10).
“Listening is a skill. Can you get better at listening? Yes” (31:15).
“The machinery in our brains that controls learning is plastic. Every time we choose to be intentional about a new skill and practice it, try to build it, yes we’re going to get better at that skill, but we’re also becoming a better learner in the process” (32:55).
“At its core, growth mindset is the belief that I can change and grow and get better at stuff… That idea should be taught to anybody anywhere” (36:25).
“The mindset of the leader is more important than we realized” (38:00).
“A growth mindset is a belief in our capacity to change, it has nothing to do with how we feel” (39:05).
“We can all change. We can all get better at stuff. That’s the magic of being human. That’s the magic of our brain” (43:10).
“There are differences on the surface we see between people. We think it’s generational, but more times than not it’s something else” (49:40).
“I’m going to [create content in the way] I would like to consume it, and I’m going to talk about the topics that are interesting to me. And if I do it in a way that I would like it and I would be interested, I think that’s good enough” (58:50).
“Play with the right scoreboard. What’s the game you’re trying to win here?” (1:04:15)
“Make stuff that you think is cool” (1:04:25).
“[I’m most curious about] storytelling [right now]” (1:08:30).
“[Cold calling] is going to work more times than you think” (1:14:45).
“You’re never going to completely turn [fear] off” (1:17:15).
“When you care about something that involves uncertainty, you’re probably going to feel something” (1:18:10).
“People can perform well and not feel great. You can perform well and feel nervous. You can feel well and perform crappy” (1:19:00).
Additionally, you can follow Trevor on Twitter and Instagram, and you can also find the website for The Learner Lab here.
Thank you so much to Trevor for coming on the podcast!
I wrote a book called “Shift Your Mind” that was released in October of 2020, and you can order it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Additionally, I have launched a company called Strong Skills, and I encourage you to check out our new website https://www.strongskills.co/. If you liked this episode and/or any others, please follow me on Twitter: @brianlevenson or Instagram: @Intentional_Performers.
Thanks for listening.

Wednesday Sep 06, 2023
David Linn on Striving for Fearless Living
Wednesday Sep 06, 2023
Wednesday Sep 06, 2023
David Linn is the co-founder of Cycle for Survival, the movement to beat rare cancers. Cycle for Survival has raised more than $340 million to support pioneering research and lifesaving clinical trials at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center (MSK), bringing new and better treatment options to people around the world.
In addition to David’s active involvement with Cycle for Survival, he is an EVP and Board Member at Oak Point Partners. Prior to starting Oak Point in 2004, David worked at both McKinsey & Company and CenterPost Communications. During his years at McKinsey, David had a unique arrangement whereby he took a 5-month leave of absence every year to play soccer professionally with the Chicago Stingers Professional Soccer Club.
David holds an MBA from the Harvard Business School. He has a BA, with highest distinction, from Northwestern University. At Northwestern, David was elected Team Captain of the varsity soccer team, and he received the Director's Award for Best Academic Performance by a Northwestern Student-Athlete.
David had a number of amazing insights during our conversation. Some of them include:
“One of the most special things in life is being part of a team” (7:35).
“When are [those] fears holding me back? How can I put them aside?” (12:00).
“Fearless for her wasn’t the absence of fear, it was recognizing we all have these fears, but don’t let them hold us back” (15:10).
“[Adversity] makes us stronger” (16:50).
“Whatever life throws at me, I can handle” (17:20).
“We all have adversity… but we have a choice in how we react to those challenges” (17:30).
“We make our own luck” (21:10).
“Leadership is about helping any type of group achieve their maximum potential” (24:35).
“Positive energy can be contagious” (25:20).
“I’ll never expect from any teammate or colleague more than I’m willing to put in” (29:30).
“Everybody grieves differently” (31:45).
“We felt like we had to start [Cycle for Survival] because there was such a clear need” (46:15).
“Spend your time on stuff that you want to do” (49:40).
“One of the most special things in life is creating something from nothing” (54:05).
“Get involved in something that’s bigger than yourself” (1:01:30).
“There’s so much joy that you get from actually helping other people” (1:01:35).
Additionally, you can find more info about Cycle for Survival on their website. You can also follow Cycle for Survival on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn. Additionally, you can personally follow David himself on Instagram and LinkedIn.
Thank you so much to David for coming on the podcast!
I wrote a book called “Shift Your Mind” that was released in October of 2020, and you can order it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Additionally, I have launched a company called Strong Skills, and I encourage you to check out our new website https://www.strongskills.co/. If you liked this episode and/or any others, please follow me on Twitter: @brianlevenson or Instagram: @Intentional_Performers.
Thanks for listening.

Wednesday Aug 30, 2023
Susan Chapman-Hughes on Empathetic Leadership
Wednesday Aug 30, 2023
Wednesday Aug 30, 2023
Susan Chapman-Hughes has quite an impressive resume. Currently, she consults with several Fortune 1000 C-Suite leaders as they embark upon transformation and try to change their organization. She’s the co-host of “Navigating the Work Compass” every Wednesday at Noon EST on LinkedIn Live, and is the author of the upcoming book Why Should I Follow You, which is a primer on connected leadership. And today’s conversation really dives into what Susan thinks are best practices when it comes to leadership, specifically around empathetic leadership and the power that comes with empathy. She’s an Independent Director of the JM Smucker Company, where she serves on the Compensation Committee. She’s also an Independent Director of Toast and chair of the Compensation Committee over there. Previously, she served as an Independent Director at Potbelly Corporation, where she led both the Compensation and Audit Committees. She most recently was the Executive VP and GM of Global Digital Capabilities, Transformation, and Operations in the Global Commercial Services Division at American Express, where she led the digital transformation of customer experience and drove the use of big data, predictive analytics, and machine learning to power business strategy.
Susan had a number of amazing insights during our conversation. Some of them include:
“Writing a book is probably one of the hardest things I’ve ever done in my life” (5:55).
“The power of growing great leaders was really the key to success for me in business” (6:45).
“I always had to lean on the talents skills of the people around me” (7:05).
“Being an empathetic leader gave me this leg up” (7:15).
“Everybody’s role is important, and I think sometimes we forget that” (9:05).
“The bigger your organizations get, the more you realize the key to leadership is really around how you connect with people, how can you galvanize them around the strategy and the ideas that you want to work towards, how can you empower them to go and execute, can you have shared goals and shared interests, and can you create a situation where conflict can be resolved constructively for the good of the organization? And that all starts with trust” (9:15).
“Well-meaning doesn’t always translate into empathetic” (10:00).
“The pandemic showed us the difference between leaders who connect with their folks and leaders who don’t” (10:55).
“[Going towards hard things] is a part of who I am” (12:35).
“Being a black CEO of a company was not a thing when I was young” (13:40).
“[I do hard things] because I have a passion for learning” (15:00).
“When you push yourself out of your comfort zone and you try to work on things that you’re not good at, in situations where the stakes are really low, it actually creates a tremendous opportunity for growth in a way that’s not hurtful to you” (17:45).
“What can I give to be impactful with the things I’ve been gifted with?” (20:45).
“I have to role model what integration looks like for [my daughter] so that as she gets older and wants to pursue her passions and her dreams, she feels like her choices don’t have to be binary” (30:20).
“My role as a parent is not to inform or impose my will on [my daughter], it is actually to help figure out what it is she wants and help her to guide that in a way that will impact the world” (31:40).
“Motherhood is the hardest job I’ve ever had, and it changes every day” (34:20).
“Being a parent forces you to have to be flexible” (36:25).
“The tenets of leadership aren’t hard, but the commitment to doing it takes effort and engagement” (42:30).
“Come as coachable” (46:50).
“I’d much rather have someone who’s pretty good who’s willing to learn and grow, who’s open and coachable, who’s always going to be thinking about the team, than somebody who’s just brilliant and can’t get along with anybody” (47:15).
“The leaders who I respect the most are the ones who saw me, who understood who I was, what I was trying to accomplish, were not intimidated by that, could appreciate who I was as a person, and really worked hard to help me” (48:00).
“The reason why I’m self-aware is because I seek [feedback], I’m always looking for [it]” (48:50).
“The more you can prepare an organization to be a change absorber and to integrate, the more likely you’re going to be to have people who connect and want to be there” (51:45).
“Staying humble but being decisive is very important [as a CEO]” (52:30).
“You can be [compassionate to people] and yet not know what they actually need” (1:00:50).
Additionally, you can find Susan’s website here and follow her on Twitter, Instagram, and LinkedIn as well.
Thank you so much to Susan for coming on the podcast!
I wrote a book called “Shift Your Mind” that was released in October of 2020, and you can order it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Additionally, I have launched a company called Strong Skills, and I encourage you to check out our new website https://www.strongskills.co/. If you liked this episode and/or any others, please follow me on Twitter: @brianlevenson or Instagram: @Intentional_Performers.
Thanks for listening.

Wednesday Aug 23, 2023
Les Snead on Building a Team
Wednesday Aug 23, 2023
Wednesday Aug 23, 2023
Les Snead is the General Manager of the Los Angeles Rams, a position he’s held for 11 years. He was hired in 2012, and we’re actually going to talk about how to create sustainability and longevity in that position and handling the ups and downs and the stresses that come from losing, and also the accolades and the adulation that come from winning and the rollercoaster that is sports. In his role as General Manager, he partners with Head Coach Sean McVay to direct all personnel decisions for the football team. He hired Sean McVay when he was a 30-year-old, and we’re going to talk about that decision and what went into hiring a Head Coach at such a young age. Snead coordinates all aspects of the club’s football operations with Coach McVay and joins forces with COO, Executive Vice President of Football Operations Kevin Demoff, and Vice President, Football and Business Administration Tony Pastoors to direct the team’s business ventures. Les is going to talk about in this conversation how he works with Kevin to also impact and to have communication lines open with ownership. We talk a lot about in this conversation the power of alignment and how important it is for Les to work hand in hand with his Head Coach and also the ownership group. His tenure has been marked by strategic, aggressive moves that have created a strong core nucleus of talent and depth throughout the roster. We use those words like talent, strategy, and aggression throughout the conversation today, and we talk about when to be aggressive and when not to and how strategy impacts decision making. We also talk about the importance of creating a team and not just assembling talent. If you follow the NFL, you know that the LA Rams have had a lot of success lately; Under Les’s leadership, they went to the Super Bowl in 2019 and they won the Super Bowl in 2022. It’s interesting to talk to Les about those experiences and the duality that comes with finishing second, which he’ll call almost like winning a Silver Medal, compared to what it’s like to win a Gold Medal and win a Super Bowl. This conversation is deep; you’re going to love the nuance in which Les speaks with. He loves to read, he loves to learn, he’s a super curious guy. During our entire conversation he was taking notes, and I could see him taking things from our conversation that he was going to bring back with him. We didn’t talk about it, but he also likes to journal, and he loves to read; those are big parts of who he is and what his identity is and how he leads an organization that’s had some success lately for sure, but that he’s trying to build into a contender year after year.
Les had a number of amazing insights during our conversation. Some of them include:
“It’s probably the hardest thing in sports; there’s always going to be change, and when do you maybe move on from a veteran player who provides a lot of those leadership type skills, a lot of the wisdom that age actually provides?” (11:45).
“Every year the team is going to change. The art form is trying to figure out what pieces of the puzzle do you keep, what pieces do you let go?” (12:45).
“The General Manager and the Head Coach have to be aligned. It doesn’t necessarily mean we have to agree on every decision, agree on every philosophy, every paradigm, but the important thing is for us to be aligned on who we hire, who we bring in, the systems that are in place to allow the people that we do bring in to work together and do their part to make the Rams better” (17:00).
“If it comes down to one thing [to get done during the day], it would be working on that relationship with [Head Coach] Sean [McVay]” (17:45).
“In sports, especially football, it’s such a sophisticated collaboration of a lot of human talent, from players to coaches to staff” (27:10).
“If you can not worry about the offseason headlines, and just focus on whatever you do in the offseason… there’s a good probability that what you did in the offseason is going to lead to some semblance of progress during the season” (30:00).
“Our self-esteems are probably unhealthily associated with the Rams record. That’s our scarlet letter: our record” (42:10).
“The teammate who supports, pats on the back, you’d rather have that than the other” (47:35).
“Usually when you have alignment and continuity, even though there’s going to be ebbs and flows in the cycle of life of a sports ecosystem… usually they’re going to be a very competitive team” (50:35).
“Let’s keep the main thing the main thing” (54:20).
“We’re blessed, we’re fortunate, or we’ve earned, whatever you want to call it, this variable of continuity” (1:00:05).
“Could we be intentional about using continuity as an edge, but also being very aware that there is stress and drudgery involved” (1:01:35).
“To prevent burnout, you can’t be result oriented” (1:02:55).
“I often tell our younger leaders the best thing you can do is onboard people that can execute really well-too-do engineered systems that you’re no longer needed” (1:08:10).
“What is your not to do list?” (1:08:50).
“[When you win a Super Bowl], you’re more happy for other people than yourself” (1:14:55).
“I was fathered by football” (1:20:25).
Thank you so much to Les for coming on the podcast!
I wrote a book called “Shift Your Mind” that was released in October of 2020, and you can order it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Additionally, I have launched a company called Strong Skills, and I encourage you to check out our new website https://www.strongskills.co/. If you liked this episode and/or any others, please follow me on Twitter: @brianlevenson or Instagram: @Intentional_Performers.
Thanks for listening.

Wednesday Aug 16, 2023
Tiffani Bova on Growth, Experience, and Finding Happiness
Wednesday Aug 16, 2023
Wednesday Aug 16, 2023
Tiffani Bova is the Global Growth Evangelist at Salesforce, and the Wall Street Journal Bestsellers Growth IQ and The Experience Mindset: Changing the Way You Think About Growth. Over the past two decades, she has led large revenue-producing divisions at businesses ranging from start-ups to the Fortune 500. As a Research Fellow at Gartner, her cutting-edge insights helped Microsoft, Cisco, Salesforce, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Oracle, SAP, AT&T, Dell, Amazon-AWS, and other prominent companies expand their market share and grow their revenues. She has been named one of the Top 50 business thinkers in the world by Thinkers50 twice. She is also the host of the podcast What’s Next! with Tiffani Bova.
Tiffani had a number of amazing insights during our conversation. Some of them include:
“I am a teacher in some way” (6:50).
“Through all the noise, we have to find a way to stay and be happy” (7:50).
“Even though people may think [sales] is an individual sport, it is a team sport” (13:15).
“As a salesperson, you never do it solo” (13:25).
“Rarely does a company do 100% of the things it needs to do on its own” (17:15).
“The one thing about growth is it’s not one thing” (24:50).
“Great culture drives great innovation” (25:25).
“Everything is an ‘and’ play” (27:40).
“When you don’t have that understanding, you start making decisions that have unintended consequences to your people, that then impact your customers” (33:20).
“Whatever you’re trying to do in the business, the first place to go is to your employees because they usually know the answers to the questions you’re trying to find out” (34:15).
“In the beginner’s mind there are many possibilities, in the expert’s mind there are few” (35:55).
“We’ve thrown so much at our people, that it’s not that they don’t want to change, it’s just that they’re burnt through change” (40:50).
“I’ve become a master asker” (45:45).
“People can copy your products, your services, your marketing campaigns. They can copy all that. It’s impossible for them to copy your culture. It’s impossible for them to copy the way you lead, or the way you run team meetings, or the way you train” (46:50).
“When you make a change for the customer… do not forget about your employee” (48:15).
“Your employees are the ones who show up every day to deliver on the promise you made as an executive” (50:10).
“Self-awareness is really challenging” (58:15).
“You really want to make sure that you’re always looking to hone your craft so that you are helping people be as successful as they can be” (1:01:35).
“95% of people believe they are self-aware, but only 10-15% really are” (1:03:40).
“If you are willing to be self-aware, it’s going to be a very reflective journey for you” (1:08:00).
Additionally, you can connect with Tiffani via email (info@tiffanibova.com) or on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram, and YouTube. Lastly, you can find Tiffani’s website here, and also purchase her book here.
Thank you so much to Tiffani for coming on the podcast!
I wrote a book called “Shift Your Mind” that was released in October of 2020, and you can order it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Additionally, I have launched a company called Strong Skills, and I encourage you to check out our new website https://www.strongskills.co/. If you liked this episode and/or any others, please follow me on Twitter: @brianlevenson or Instagram: @Intentional_Performers.
Thanks for listening.

Wednesday Aug 09, 2023
Erica Keswin on Intentional Connection
Wednesday Aug 09, 2023
Wednesday Aug 09, 2023
Erica Keswin is a workplace strategist who has worked for the past 20 years with some of the most iconic brands in the world as a consultant, speaker, author, and professional dot-connector. You’re going to hear her reference some of the conversations she’s had with some brands that you are definitely going to recognize. Her best-selling book, Bring Your Human to Work: 10 Surefire Ways to Design a Workplace That’s Good for People, Great for Business, and Just Might Change the World, was published in the Fall of 2018, and we certainly bring that book into today’s conversation. Her second book, Rituals Roadmap: The Human Way to Transform Everyday Routines into Workplace Magic, was published in January of 2021, and that book is also referenced in today’s conversation. Erica will make clear the distinction between routine and ritual, which I think you’re going to appreciate. She’s also going to talk about some of the things that happened during the pandemic while she was getting ready to publish that book. That book made the Wall Street Journal, Publisher’s Weekly, and USA Today bestseller lists. Erica’s work and insights can be seen in various media outlets, including The Harvard Business Review, The New York Post, Forbes, Huffington Post, O Magazine, Entrepreneur, Business Insider, and many other outlets that you would recognize. She’s a keynote speaker; she does webinars, workshops, she’s worked with American Red Cross, she’s spoken at South by Southwest, she’s worked at TIAA, IBM, The New York Times, I could go on and on. She has quite an impressive resume. And inn this conversation, she’s going to get quite vulnerable and share some of her personal background and some of the things that she’s seen and gone through as well.
Erica had a number of amazing insights during our conversation. Some of them include:
“When I think about me and what’s important in my life, it’s building relationships” (6:20).
“Honoring relationships is about being present in that moment” (7:15).
“The fundamentals of building relationships are constant and haven’t really changed in terms of being present and investing time and making a time and a place for them” (9:30).
“You don’t know what’s always going on behind the curtain” (22:10).
“Tell people what you need” (22:30).
“My definition of a ritual has 3 component parts: A ritual is something to which we assign a certain amount of meaning and intention, there’s a cadence, and a ritual is something that goes beyond its practical purpose” (30:45).
“Rituals give us a sense of psychological safety” (31:50).
“Rituals give you an opportunity to connect to purpose and to meaning” (32:15).
“When you have connection to other people, there is a physiological change in your body. Your oxytocin goes up, that feel good hormone, and your stress goes down” (32:30).
“We have to figure out ways to curate connection, and rituals are a tool that all of us can use” (33:00).
“We need to be even more intentional to curate those connections” (37:20).
“Let’s define who we are and what we stand for and what is most important” (49:35).
“Covid accelerated many things in the workplace that were changing already” (57:10).
“Start as you mean to belong” (1:00:25).
“Being a leader, being a manager today, is really hard” (1:13:00).
Additionally, you can find Erica’s website here and connect with her on LinkedIn as well.
Thank you so much to Erica for coming on the podcast!
I wrote a book called “Shift Your Mind” that was released in October of 2020, and you can order it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Additionally, I have launched a company called Strong Skills, and I encourage you to check out our new website https://www.strongskills.co/. If you liked this episode and/or any others, please follow me on Twitter: @brianlevenson or Instagram: @Intentional_Performers.
Thanks for listening.

Wednesday Aug 02, 2023
Tobin Anderson on Getting Better and Embracing Imperfection
Wednesday Aug 02, 2023
Wednesday Aug 02, 2023
Tobin Anderson is the Men’s Basketball Head Coach at Iona University. He’s in his first year there, and you may recognize Tobin and his name from last season when he was the Head Coach at Fairleigh Dickinson University in their Men’s Basketball program. They shocked the world; they beat #1 Purdue in the NCAA Tournament, they actually won a game before that to enter the NCAA Tournament, and Tobin and his team became a Cinderella story, sort of the sweetheart of college basketball last year, having only been the second team to win as a 16 seed over a 1 seed. Tobin is a basketball lifer; his dad was a high school basketball coach, he’s coached at every level (Division III, Division II, and now Division I). And we’ll talk about the different levels of basketball in this conversation, and you’re going to find him pretty transparent, genuine, authentic, while we also get into the politics and the political nature of basketball. We talk about pressing and his defensive philosophy and his style. If you’re not into basketball, this conversation may be a little over your head, but if you’re a hoops head like me, you’re going to love Tobin’s energy, his curiosity, his creativity, his willingness to try new things, his willingness to grow, to change, to evolve. He’s highly competitive, he’s highly enthusiastic and energetic. This conversation flowed for me, and I hope it will flow for you as well.
Tobin had a number of amazing insights during our conversation. Some of them include:
“The backbone of our program has always been competition and competing” (5:35).
“The most important thing is we compete on a daily basis” (5:50).
“Let’s not get caught up into so much teaching and X’s and O’s and that stuff, when at the end of the day if we’re competitive, we have a chance to be very successful” (6:10).
“Our worst practices are on the days when I overthink things as a coach and I try to do too much, try to teach too much” (6:40).
“We improve every day” (7:20).
“To have a chance to be very successful, you have to get better every day” (8:10).
“When you’re on a good team, you have to sacrifice for your teammates” (12:05).
“The two things that really help you are shared success and shared suffering” (15:00).
“Winning begets winning” (15:30).
“The hard days, the tough days, the uneven days, those are the days you build a team” (16:35).
“Sometimes the best you is the best us” (24:45).
“Can you blend in to help us all be successful?” (27:55).
“If you screw it up, then figure it out” (29:20).
“The best practices to me are the sloppy ones, the crazy ones” (30:15).
“I try to step back more now and let them screw up, let them make mistakes” (31:50).
“Scared goes home” (33:40).
“Even when you’re the top dog, you’re trying to create that underdog mentality” (38:00).
“Belief is a moment-by-moment situation” (40:55).
“I love what I do, so there’s not a job component to it” (46:35).
“You don’t know what you don’t know” (53:00).
“It’s about after the good things, after the bad things, not letting yourself react either way” (58:40).
“We’re not a big adjustments team. We want teams to adjust to us” (1:04:45).
“The game in December is just as important as the game in February” (1:12:34).
“I share everything. I’m not trying to hold anything back” (1:17:25).
“It’s not about what you do, it’s about how you do it” (1:17:30).
Additionally, you can follow Tobin on Twitter.
Thank you so much to Tobin for coming on the podcast!
I wrote a book called “Shift Your Mind” that was released in October of 2020, and you can order it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Additionally, I have launched a company called Strong Skills, and I encourage you to check out our new website https://www.strongskills.co/. If you liked this episode and/or any others, please follow me on Twitter: @brianlevenson or Instagram: @Intentional_Performers.
Thanks for listening.

Wednesday Jul 26, 2023
Brian Levenson’s Reflections from the Aspen Ideas Festival
Wednesday Jul 26, 2023
Wednesday Jul 26, 2023
Today’s episode is going to be a little bit different than a lot of our past episodes because it’s just going to be me on here. I’m going to share a lot of my observations, a lot of my notes, from a festival I recently attended called The Aspen Ideas Festival. It’s really a conference, but it’s much more than a conference. It’s where some of the best thought leaders gather to share what’s on their mind, to discuss, they have all kinds of experiences, they have debates, they have panels, they have interactive experiences. I figured I would capture the four days that I spent at the conference with all of you and share it in today’s episode.
Here are some insights I’d like to share form today’s episode:
“[The festival] was a reminder of the power of education” (2:40).
“We don’t need to be formally in school to continue to grow and become educated, but we do need to seek out opportunities to learn” (2:45).
“We either evolve, or we die” (4:15).
“’And’ is more powerful than ‘or’” (5:15).
“If we aren’t healthy, nothing else really matters” (6:40).
“If you want to be a great manager, you need to understand that part of your job as a manager is to connect with human beings, and we connect with human beings on an emotional level” (9:30).
“We need to manage our emotions; we don’t need to eradicate them” (9:55).
“The people who are happiest actually dig rather than climb” (12:35).
“Fulfillment is what’s most key to happiness” (13:50).
“Sometimes we have to take a step back if we want to take a step forward” (16:30).
“Wealth is essentially your capacity to control your time” (18:20).
“The thing that makes you weird as a kid can make you great as an adult” (19:05).
“Following your passion is very limiting” (20:30).
“Maybe the passion will come from the doing rather than the doing coming from the passion” (21:00).
“Change does involve pain” (21:50).
“Emotions are radar, they give us information, they give us data” (22:30).
“Are we working hard, or are we overworking?” (23:40).
“Let’s look inward for the solution” (25:25).
“Parenting doesn’t stop once our children become adults” (25:50).
“Not knowing is the most intimate” (28:30).
“Our happiness is about looking out the window rather than at the mirror” (29:20).
“Where you believe you’re going matters” (34:00).
“Vision can inspire” (35:25).
“If you have clarity on the vision, then you can actually pass that down to the people in your organization who are actually connected to the customer” (36:20).
“You want to get as close to that customer experience as possible if you want to build a strong organization” (37:50).
“People don’t need to be punished; they need to be helped” (39:20).
“We assume that other people are thinking exactly like us” (41:20).
“We need to be aware of our biases” (42:20).
“Let’s not speculate; let’s explore” (44:05).
“Whether you’re a show or a business or a sports team, you’re trying to do something together” (47:00).
“Insecurities are what often drive us to feel threatened” (49:15).
“Each successive generation is staying at their jobs for less time” (55:10).
“When does capitalism go too far?” (57:40).
“As we become more and more segregated behind computer screens, we need to intentionally create space for us to be in person” (1:00:35).
“If you don’t change, you either aren’t paying attention or you don’t care” (1:04:15).
“We need to think about our education as a rising tide that can lift all boats” (1:07:15).
“Our world needs to come together to think about how they’re going to manage artificial intelligence” (1:10:50).
“America is America because we collaborate” (1:12:00).
“How can you be bold while still being responsible?” (1:13:55).
“AI really reveals our own biases and toxic behaviors and holds a mirror up to us” (1:16:50).
If you’d like to connect with me further directly about this episode or anything else, you can reach out to me via email (brian@strongskills.co).
Thanks for listening.

Wednesday Jul 19, 2023
Ryan Poles on Building and Sustaining Championship Culture
Wednesday Jul 19, 2023
Wednesday Jul 19, 2023
Ryan Poles is currently the General Manager of the Chicago Bears. Prior to that, he spent 13 years working with the Kansas City Chiefs and helping to build the Super Bowl Champion that they are today. He was heavily involved in scouting and bringing on the players that you see dominating the NFL today. Ryan also played football at a very high level; he played offensive line for Boston College, and his quarterback at the time was Matt Ryan. He then went on to get cut from the Chicago Bears, the team he is the General Manager for today. That led him on his journey and his path to working in the front office. Today’s conversation is really about leadership, it’s about how do you build the culture which the Bears are currently doing, and Ryan gives you a behind the curtain look at what he’s doing to build this one time historic, legacy franchise that is the Chicago Bears.
Ryan had a number of amazing insights during our conversation. Some of them include:
“It’s part of my makeup. I never feel like I’m there yet” (6:00).
“Staying curious, listening to other people’s journeys, the lessons they’ve learned, that’s a ton of wisdom. It’s the same reason why I read books” (6:10).
“I want to peel back the curtain on different experiences so that I can apply them when those situations pop up for me” (6:20).
“Growth mindset is really contagious” (6:40).
“You’ve got to lean on people, and you’ve got to let people lean on you” (7:20).
“There’s times you’ve got to sleep on it” (14:40).
“I really value people” (15:20).
“Sometimes the worst thing you can do, and it’s so toxic, is just to keep [everything] inside of you” (19:05).
“It’s important to get things off your chest and express your thoughts and emotions” (21:00).
“We attack mind, body, and spirit” (23:25).
“[Spirit] is internal peace” (25:20).
“If you can have part of your foundation be being a resilient football team, to me that is progress” (29:15).
“That old school, tough, gritty football team; we want that back. That’s part of this city” (33:30).
“We’re not going to panic and do things that are going to harm us just because of pressure” (35:20).
“For me, to my core, sustaining success is the challenge” (39:50).
“You can feel the passion jump out of the [players] that really care and love [football]” (51:30).
“For building a football team, you want as many guys where when they go out to practice or a game, it’s like recess” (52:05).
“The hardest part of professional sports with collaboration is the team changes every single year” (59:40).
“It comes down to people” (1:03:45).
“You can call it a General Manager if you want, but at the end of the day you’re a problem solver for the organization” (1:04:10).
“The more balanced I am, the more clear I am about decision making” (1:05:50).
“I need to block off time for me” (1:07:05).
Thank you so much to Ryan for coming on the podcast!
I wrote a book called “Shift Your Mind” that was released in October of 2020, and you can order it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Additionally, I have launched a company called Strong Skills, and I encourage you to check out our new website https://www.strongskills.co/. If you liked this episode and/or any others, please follow me on Twitter: @brianlevenson or Instagram: @Intentional_Performers.
Thanks for listening.